Tortogol wrote:I play on Windows XP, html5 doesn't work. Do you really want the best player to retire?
Do you also use corded phone?
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Tortogol wrote:I play on Windows XP, html5 doesn't work. Do you really want the best player to retire?
OffSync wrote:Tortogol wrote:I play on Windows XP, html5 doesn't work. Do you really want the best player to retire?
Unless you are using internet explorer, winXP can run html5. A newish browser seems to have everything to run html5 haxball:
https://html5test.com/s/0e21893cf72cf762.html
If it needs a plugin or something follow this guide:
http://wp.xin.at/archives/4059
It will work but if you are too lazy to fix it I would still rather set up a charity for you to buy a laptop than play flash in 2018.
Proof of html5 working on xp: https://github.com/haxball/haxball-issues/issues/237
Tortogol wrote:Almost everyone can do a trick and bounce the ball in the html5, you don't need to be skill master or wtv to dominate the tricks like in flash.
OffSync wrote:Tortogol wrote:Almost everyone can do a trick and bounce the ball in the html5, you don't need to be skill master or wtv to dominate the tricks like in flash.
I know what you mean. Its common sense that HTML5 is easier to play. I dont agree on the skill part tho. If this community would play html5 for as long as flash, the skill ceiling would be much higher. Its harder to be a better player in html5 because you dont get that much advantage if you have the ball. Your opponent doesnt have to wait 2-3 ticks to see what you have actually done with the ball.
I know its easier to do your tricks in flash, since the opponent is delayed by at least 2 ticks. But if you cant do your tricks in html5 it only means your tricks suck.
Source: my tricks suck, but I dont blame the game for it. You shouldnt either.
socrates wrote:Personally I don't think those extra pixels make any difference and its all in peoples head.
If everyone can do skills on HTML doesn't that mean that the only reason they can't on flash is problems with the flash format? Since the gameplay is coded exactly the same. Additionally if you say its easier to defend on html because of the few extra pixels wouldn't that make it a higher skill ceiling on HTML where its not easy to pull off tricks against opponents as they don't suffer from the delay in flash? If anything HTML becomes a more true representation then of skills as it promotes teamwork, passing and positional play rather than 'skills' against players with a 32ms delay on flash.
But like I said I don't think there is any significant difference between the 2 formats, your logic just seems wrong to me. The best players will stay the best players on any format as tricks aren't the most important thing in hax.
Maldo wrote:give a chance to html, if we dont feel comfortable on it, we can always switch back to flash
B4D4SS wrote:He's not saying its easier to do tricks in Flash, he's saying its easier in HTML and everybody just does them effortlessly now without any subtle movements, fast hands, or brain usage etc.. That equals to a lower skill ceiling, everybody can do skills + the art of pressing, because of the effortless skill in HTML everybody has, has been destroyed which is also another massive blow to the skill ceiling. You can't press in HTML regardless of how organised your team is, people just slice through you easily without being skillful, so the new META for HTML is camp or leave 2v1s/3v2s with no intelligent and safe ways to press to get the ball back, real high skill ceiling tactics/game sense right?
OffSync wrote:B4D4SS wrote:He's not saying its easier to do tricks in Flash, he's saying its easier in HTML and everybody just does them effortlessly now without any subtle movements, fast hands, or brain usage etc.. That equals to a lower skill ceiling, everybody can do skills + the art of pressing, because of the effortless skill in HTML everybody has, has been destroyed which is also another massive blow to the skill ceiling. You can't press in HTML regardless of how organised your team is, people just slice through you easily without being skillful, so the new META for HTML is camp or leave 2v1s/3v2s with no intelligent and safe ways to press to get the ball back, real high skill ceiling tactics/game sense right?
Most of us play this game for like 5 years. This is a closed community. Everyone is aware of every trick, whether he can do it or not.
More people doing the same tricks -> higher skill ceiling on the long run.
Less people doing the same tricks -> lower skill ceiling.
If your entire gameplay is destroyed because a huge artificial lag was removed from the game then I have bad news for you. What you have is not skill, its just exploiting a bug.
Join a html5 room and start learning the game again.
B4D4SS wrote:Just watch any 3v3 FM HTML game and u see its not 'higher level' at all. Each team leaves like ten 2v1s to the opponents, cus of the fact its to damn easy to skill without being skillful, I find myself wall lifting everybody when I'm not even trying to, this isn't the same Haxball as Flash thanks to the new ball+player shape causing this - and even though its only a few pixels, it's a big difference to the gameplay. The bottom of the ball is 4pixels wide in Flash, in HTML its 2 pixels wide so a 50% difference which a huge proportional difference, so it can have a big impact despite being a few pixels only.
The new META in HTML will simply be for both teams to camp, which removes an entire extremely hard part of Haxball - intelligent and co-ordinated pressing, you simply can't do it anymore without backing off so much that you never get possession or leave 2v1s, people simply turn too quickly in HTML for you to reach tackles.
ATuntija wrote:This has got nothing to do with HTML...
Just watch any premhax match and you see how many 2v1 there was. And it was played on Flash.![]()
It's not about the platform, it's all about the fact that it's 3v3, not 4v4. And if you rush too much on 3v3, there will always be 2v1's to the both ends. Or are you blaming HTML also for rushing too much on field?
Lyreco wrote:when im attacking the ball and im 100% sure i will get it i miss the ball, on flash it doesnt happen, the gameplay changed
Yannex wrote:this is so sad... the guy who created the game confirmed it didnt change, players that play over 5 years say it didnt change...
honestly feel sorry for you guys
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